Things Not Always What They Seem

When religion becomes a source of distraction
Other than attraction
Conflict? Confusion? or what else
Could suffice!

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  1. danmihalache
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 11:59:18

    religion always was a source of war; but it is not becouse of the religion itself, but of the religion leaders. religion confers so much power, more than money or politics (think at vatican) and so powerfull leaders can’t stop to want more. and a way to show their power is the war, but more, the war breake people of free thinking, wanting, living. i think you read orwell’s nineteen eighty four or huxley’s brave new world. all well, dan mihalache, romania.

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  2. ma6goog
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 12:05:45

    مجرمين

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  3. Arfana
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 14:24:30

    My beautiful Friend,

    You know what? Others will claim that this guy works for Israel to sabotage Hamas’ image!

    I believe everything he said. Simply because, none of those “reactionists” showed up when Hamas did assassinate, kidnap and arrest other Palestinians.

    Happy New Year and I guess Happy Birthday? 🙂

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  4. AyyA
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 21:35:05

    Danmihalache
    “religion always was a source of war; but it is not becouse of the religion itself, but of the religion leaders.”
    Partially true, since greed in inherent in human beings.
    But lets take a look at religion; what is religion? Some old books that has thousands of interpretations? How could we accuse books?
    Greed is part of our inherited trait, but It’s the script that gives way to human greed; it codifies it and legitimizes it. And here comes the danger.
    Imagine yourself taking a test and the question is not clear. Who do you blame for your failure? Your misunderstanding of the question or the question itself which was not clear in the first place?
    So how could religion plead “not guilty”, while who apply it in good faith “guilty”?

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  5. AyyA
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 21:38:06

    ma6goog
    هذا اقل ما يقال عنهم

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  6. AyyA
    Jan 04, 2009 @ 21:48:37

    The BB
    Let them say whatever they want; it’s not important what they say anymore. They have said that to all who disagreed with them in the past (including me).
    As for me; I believe that we human beings are not rigid in our thoughts, they keep changing all the time as we grow. And our own personal experiences play a good part in this change. And whether he’s a true person or not, is not the point, the point is that he’s courageous enough to defy Hamas and Moslem Brotherhood and expose them, and declare his conversion when he’s the son of the establisher of Hamas. And I give him credit for that.

    Thanks for your well wishes, and hope you the best of what luck can bring.
    :*

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  7. ayamaline
    Jan 07, 2009 @ 02:01:00

    Didn’t really get the video, don’t understand how it’s related to religion. for some reason felt like saying this though… guantanamo bay.. abu ghraib..

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  8. AyyA
    Jan 07, 2009 @ 20:07:11

    ayamaline
    The video presents the eldest son of one of Hamas establishers who converted to Christianity. And what provoked him, or triggered the change in his beliefs was the actions that his kin taken on the name of Islam. After all; Hamas originated by Moslem brothers, the party that his father belonged to. You might say that Islam has nothing to do with what Moslems do, but if the manuals (sacred books) that we have inherited to draw our “right” path are contradictory in their nature, then expect even true-faith Moslems to be misled and more and more people to leave Islam.
    Can you have a map that points to opposite directions and expect to find the path you are looking for?
    Impossible
    As for “guantanamo bay.. abu ghraib..” I didn’t get what provoked you to say that!

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  9. ayamaline
    Jan 07, 2009 @ 23:56:11

    No ayya, I understand what he’s saying, it just doesn’t make sense to me.. I mean even I can come up with better reasons to leave Islam..

    so here’s how he explains the so called awakening of his.. when he was a kid he though all muslims were like his father, not the sharpest kid eh? So he grows up and surprise surprise not all muslims are like his father.. he was like shocked when he witnessed greed, food stealing and torture so he deduced that islam must be wrong, because even though “You might say that Islam has nothing to do with what Moslems do, but if the manuals (sacred books) that we have inherited to draw our “right” path are contradictory in their nature, then expect even true-faith Moslems to be misled and more and more people to leave Islam.” ( amazing how you two seem to have similar minds ) so he’s like I must look for a religion whose followers don’t do torture… hmmm I know what it is.. Christianity!! Jeez who can think of any Christians torturing prisoners!! Not the sharpest adult eh? Yeah so this is what provoked my Guantanamo Bay Abu Ghraib thing..

    to sum it up.. this dumbo is saying that hamas aren’t the most moral creatures on earth.. hamas are muslims.. ergo islam is bad.. cant you see what’s wrong with this reasoning ? is this coherent to you ? I am disappointed ayya, you’ve been doing the whole Islam is bad thing for so long I expect better from you.

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  10. danmihalache
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 02:50:00

    yes, you are true, but i didn’t want to be so “cruel” with our parents believe.

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  11. Kasik Ya Watan
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 03:42:54

    Ayya

    Your reply to danmihalache is amazing & enlightening.

    ayamaline

    I did not see Ayya defending christianity in any way … I don’t know why you are offended … if you take a good look at the first paragraph, Ayya is saying ” When religion …” not when Islam … look at it this way.

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  12. ayamaline
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 14:54:14

    kasik ya watan

    I am never offended by any one defending anything, most of all Christianity.. it’s the reasoning that offends me.. Hamas weren’t reading the Quran and all of a sudden went, “DUH, of course we must torture prisoners and steal their food, how come we didn’t think of that before, this book is so full of good ideas, I wonder what else is in there, hmmm let’s see what it says about crashing planes into buildings.” nor did the Americans abuse prisoners because of their Christianity, must of the idiots in the US army have never touched a bible.. another point.. if I’m not mistaken all of the prisoners were Sunni muslims, no conflict of religion there.. so how come you blame it on religion? Why not blame it on politics and political parties? And the guy is a freak, he’s just like.. I hate soccer, it has a ball, I hate games with balls, I think i’ll just quit soccer.. maybe try basket BALL for a change!

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  13. Kasik Ya Watan
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 23:10:13

    ayamaline

    I am not defending his reasoning by any means; I agree that he is more of a confused person.
    I am seeing him only as someone who witnessed the brutality of Hamas towards their own people. I don’t think Islam, that they claim representing, allows such acts, do you?

    By the way, thank you for your “Kind” & “Humble” comment in my blog.

    … Kasik

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  14. AyyA
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 23:14:48

    ayamaline
    May be the video was not clear, I could not find one that has both Arabic and English (translation) that would answer your questions. My fault; I assumed that the reader is already familiar with Mos’ab’s case. Anyhow; I will upload more videos (in English) so you’d get a better picture.
    But my point was not whether he did the right (or wrong) thing, my point was that religion and it’s application in reality is the reason behind leaving it, whether by conversion to another religion, or even not believing in God. The irrational application triggers mind conflict and puts the scriptures used at stake, for it is the faith in the scriptures that gives legitimacy to such actions. And btw; I’m in no way defending one faith for the benefit of the other. But some religions have developed with time to promote spirituality and peace like Christianity, while Islam developed to promote tribalism, hate and violence. And in this sense they could not be perceived as equal.
    Hamas is a terrorist institution found on the bases of the scriptures. And if it weren’t for the “backup” it gets from the verses of Quran, they wouldn’t have found followers between laymen. Qaza citizens are all Moslems and they chose Hamas. And it’s not the leaders who use Gaza children as shields in their war against Israel (that’s a common misconception); the citizens themselves keep reproducing to use their children as weapons against the sophisticated weaponry of Israel (that’s what they keep saying themselves and why Hamas was founded). How would a parent have a heart to do that to his own children if it wasn’t for his faith that God is on his side and will reward him hereafter?
    As for the Palestinian case, the fight is over a piece of land, but Islam is not just a religion between man and God; it is a way of life, politics included. Look at it’s history.

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  15. AyyA
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 23:31:12

    kasik
    Thanks sweetheart for your lovely prayer (in the last post), hope the same and more for you. And of course you and your family included in my (loved ones) list
    :*

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