Is Diversity Possible in the Islamic World?

I’ve been asking myself this question again and again, and I reached the conclusion that it is IMPOSSIBL.
Let me elaborate.
Moslems believe in the superiority of Islam over any other religion, as do other faiths believe in the superiority of theirs . Quran demands that Moslems should fight the nonbelievers wherever they find them. And in a country dominated by Moslems, Shareea law, specifically those concerning social services, become part of its constitution (Turkey here is an exception and not a norm). Other than the constitution, other areas of life like education and the media, etc. are all supportive of Islamic views and the insistence to idealize the Islamic identity, and diminish any other ideology or thought.
You may say, what is wrong with that? When you’re in Rome, do what Romans do.
But what if there are individuals within who don’t want to abide to laws that contradict with their own beliefs, especially if those laws are akin to his/her personal life?
A Moslem would tell you to go seek other places that respect your beliefs. And this is the height of selfishness and arrogance, why someone who belongs to this land go seek his/her convenience in other places? Criticizing the system in an effort to make it acceptable for all to live in harmony under one roof would be more civil in the onset of the twenty-first century. Can you tell your sister or brother to go live somewhere else because she/he can’t digest the fish that you enforce to be cooked everyday?
It is within the preaching of Quran to fight none-Moslems, so even with moderate-minded Moslems, you’d always fine arrogance and superiority to other ethnic groups. Let alone the nonbelievers, which their annihilation is mandatory according to Quran, the infallible text in their belief. Quran even makes this issue an individual duty. And to have contrary ideologies within its boundary is unforgivable and calls for demolition of its beholders.
Now in an environment like this, how can one expect diversity to survive? Diversity is to accept the other, when Islam does not accept others, nor it accepts criticism, If any criticism of Islam is considered a sin that begets punishment by law, how can free-minded individuals survive in a society that detests their beliefs?
But why is it that Moslems do not accept criticism when it comes to religion? Is it because they fear that the criticizer might turn the table against them, especially with fresh young minds, and start a whole mass of atheists? Possibly. But why should anyone fear anything if their religion is based on solid grounds? Or is it because their faith is so shallow that any criticism might rock the floor under their feet?
I believe that the latter is closer to the truth. Living in an Islam dominated society has taught me that at least eighty percent of Moslems do not take their faith seriously, when it comes to defending it they all draw their swords, and the Danish cartoon fiasco is a live evidence, but in applying the dogmas of their religion, hardly anyone complies. It is very common to see a Moslem drink alcohol, party with prostitutes of Thailand, lavishly tip Egyptian belly dancers, not even praying and at the same time wholeheartedly defending his religion whenever confronted with a nonbeliever. So the issue is not the faith that he’s so vigorously defending, it’s the identity crises that he’s suffering. And it’s also a matter of convenience, especially when it comes to males.

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19 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. quantumfoam
    Sep 05, 2007 @ 23:28:58

    3asal,

    actually iam not a mouslim but there is no harm in saying that whatever religion u belong , u must give first pirority to the humanity , religion came after humanity . I feel religion is something which bind us to certain things which supposed to give a message of living in harmony amoung the people, but unfortunately due to certain regions the opposite of this is happening. actually what i feel is that all the religious books are very good and very concise but the problem is that they all are written long way back, the conditions at that time are different from todays, therefore it is possible that there is a conflict between certain things , there are lots of good thing that we can learn from them.But still there r few things which are not accepetable in this period , so we need to modify these laws from time to time as situation changes .
    also there r certain people who thought that they are the true followers of religion , they r always having problem with a women getting educated , children r having western education , fashion , entertainmaint and other stuffs . They himself wants to live a life of prosparity and dignity but do not remember about others.
    we have already faced 2 world wars but still we neglect that these kind of things make us to steadily walks towards another war , weather it is a war against religion , country , natural resources etc. but innocent people always lost their life.
    the last but the important thing is the world politics , it also contributes to these conditions .

    I wish there might be a world who better prefer to be called themselves as humans than calling as christian , mouslim, hindu, buddhist,catholics.

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  2. kila_ma6goog
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 00:04:22

    🙂

    عادي مو كل الناس مثاليين

    ما مليتي من سالفة المسلمين هذي؟

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  3. AyyA
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 00:37:00

    Quantumfoam
    I do agree with most of what you mentioned, especially the part about humanity. Religion may have some good as you mentioned, but the good stuff in religion did not come from the divine, it was an accumulative process of human social evolution. If you look closely in any religion, you’d see that the harm it’s done exceeds the good. Religion divides people into categories, it was stemmed from culture, and it is meant to keep the identity of that culture, now where does humanity fit? That’s the last thing religion is concerned about.
    Now about Islam, you have to understand that any change or modernization is forbidden, and for Moslems to overcome this deficiency, each group, or even individual is interpreting religion to their liking, because any modernization or alteration is considered people’s words against God. Besides, why change anything if we’d end up applying the rules that humans invented? In other words, what is the use of religion then but an accessory?

    KM
    Do you stop criticizing politics when you feel that your country is politically corrupted?

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  4. Peach
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 00:45:41

    3ala 6ary Danish cartoon fiasco, this is what happens when you cross Islam fanatics.

    When the Danish news paper Jyllands-Posten published twelve cartoons depicting Muhammed, over the next three months, indignation was carefully & systematically nurtured though out the Islamic world by a small group of Muslims living in Denmark, led by two imams who had been granted sanctuary there. In late 2005 they travelled from Denmark to Egypt bearing a dossier, which was copied & circulated from there to the whole Islamic world. The dossier contained the twelve cartoons which the imams had supplemented with THREE ADDITIONAL images whose origin was mysterious but which certainly had no connection with Denmark & which were genuinely offensive!! Talk about adding fuel to the fire .. and why? To wash the Islamic mind further more with hatred & to make sure the mob is excited into a furry of blind emotions.

    A bounty of $1 million was placed on the head of “the Danish cartoonist” by a Pakistani imam; who was apparently unaware that there were twelve different Danish cartoonists, & almost certainly unaware that the three most offensive pictures had never appeared in Denmark at all!! Again, blind & brain washed. They instinctively go on the offensive without even doing their homework!

    In Nigeria, Muslim protesters against the Danish cartoons burned down several Christian churches, and used machetes to attack & kill (black Nigerian) Christians in the streets. One Christian was put inside a rubber tyre, doused with petrol & set alight! These guys had nothing whatsoever to do with the Danish cartoonist! They were of the same country! Yet they were still objects these of horrendous acts; an indicator that the Danish issue simply served as an excuse, a faucet to let out the innate Islamic hatred & aversion to anything un-Islamic!

    Demonstrators were photographed in Britain bearing banners saying “Slay those who insult Islam”, “Butcher those who mock Islam”, Europe you will pay; Demolition is on its way” and, apparently without irony, “Behead those who say Islam is a violent religion”. Source ‘The God Delusion’ by Richard Dawkins. I remember when I first read this part my mouth dropped open & I could only laugh .. but not because it was funny!

    Tolerance & diversity are words that do NOT exist in the Islamic dictionary.

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  5. AyyA
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 01:19:12

    KM
    I remembered in one of your comments to someone who mentioned that Kuwaitis are making a big deal out of Jasem alQamis’ torture by special police forces, and it’s not as if Jasem was hurt. Your comment was “even a slight beating is an insult and is not acceptable”. Now how come you did not accept the beatings of Jasem who is a single individual and can give a blind eye to thousands of women who are being tortured everyday by their husbands with the blessing of the law? How can you accept a scripture that legalizes beating of women? Isn’t this considered a double standard?

    Peacha
    LOL, I do not believe that Moslem can even read what they write, let alone understand it. How could the sentences like “Behead those” and “Islam is not a violent religion” be posted on the same sign?

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  6. ayaz
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 07:57:02

    > Quran demands that Moslems should fight the
    > nonbelievers wherever they find them.

    Um, that didn’t come out right. Did it?

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  7. attendingtheworld
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 08:04:11

    This is the most shallow and ignorant post and discussion I have come across. Before I shred your post to pieces (if you read the Bible, you wouldn’t have made these ignorant remarks), I will give you a chance to support your claims here. Every single one. I look forward to this debate. And please use a spell checker!

    ATW

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  8. quantumfoam
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 08:20:38

    ayya
    you have not read it carefully ,i mentioned there ” world politics” . The possible region behind all the stuff going on in this world is totally related to the politics of whole world , it dosen’t matter that whatever country u belong.
    Whether it is a cartoon or some in-human act all things all things shows our blind belief and act of dominance above other.I can not read what K M has mentioned but i can understand it from ur reply.Although i don’t know about that issue, but it is not correct to think ur self superior amoung others whether they r women or man. I personally thought that women must be called superior than man and i don’t need to give any explanation for this.
    The Afganistan , Irak and other related countries are in this situation only because of resources ( like oil) , strategical place and political dominance. I am agreed with what peach mentioned above as “furry of blind emotions” , sometimes our blind emotions comes ahead of our eyes and make us blind , we r not really want to face the truth or we r not dare enough to face it.
    It is human , who want to be dominent above all the living creatures , he succeded amoung the other animals now he is trying within its own species and community.He is using all sorts of means whether it is political , religious beliefs , or any other things.He is using uneducated or educated but unsatisfied & confused people against the innocent people.
    real thing is that we r not supposed to wait for other people to change their mind but what we can do is that we starts from ourselves and our family & friends and make a promice to ourself that we try to live with harmony and honesty , coz everything starts from home.

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  9. AyyA
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 13:15:11

    Ayaz
    If you meant by your comment that the statement I made is not true, then here is a verse for you from Quran:
    “Sly them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage … (I)f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers” (2:190-93)

    And there are loads of them in Quran, if you like to see more, then I have to write them in a separate post.

    Attendingtheworld
    What’s all this fuming about? Your reaction to the post attests to the point I’m trying to make. And if you see any spelling mistakes, I would appreciate it if you pinpoint them to me, I usually can’t see mine. As for the bible, you remind me of my kids when they were younger, when I ask one why did you do that, he replies that my brother does the same. If a mosquito bugs me in my premises all night, what do I care if a mountain lion attacked Mountain Vies? I hope you got the point.

    Quantumfoam
    I did get your point dear, politics has a lot to do with the situation in the Islamic world, and the reform has to be from within. And this is the purpose of this post. My criticism of Islam is meant to open eyes so that people would not blindly follow those politicians who manipulate them emotionally, using the ancient scriptures that were written for different times and different circumstances as you mentioned. But the problem is that Quran itself does not admit that, and it insists that it’s meant to be for all times till eternity. Moreover, it encourages the annihilation of others except Moslems and emphasizes the superiority of Moslems. Here is a verse:
    61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over all religions, though the polytheists are averse.

    As for the superiority of men over women, there are plenty of verses in Quran; here is one that legalizes beating of women:
    In Sura 4:34
    “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).”
    Note that a Moslem made those English translations, and to lesson the effect of the harshness of the words on foreign ears, he had added his own emphasis between brackets, those of which do not appear in the original text.
    Not only that, the God of Moslems promises heaven only to one sect of Moslems, here is a hadith (or tradition) ascribed to the prophet Muhammad: My nation will be divided into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one (the saved sect)…

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  10. attendingtheworld
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 16:07:33

    I see a person just bitter about Muslims and Islam based on personal opinion and not facts. My reference to the Bible meant to enlighten you with the fact that before you criticize the Islamic faith and “their beliefs” that you look at the Bible or the Torah and find sexual, abusive and violent verses as well. If you care to read, then read the post Eyes Wide Shut or the recent Religion: Love, Violence or Terrorism: http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/religion-love-violence-or-terrorism/

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  11. quantumfoam
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 16:13:11

    ayya
    thanks for calling me ” dear”. I can understand ur situation but it hard for me as a non-muslim to realise ur situation.I appericiate u as a person who comes forward against those ill and blind beliefs.But i don’t want to comment against what is written in Quran coz it might hurts someone’s feeling. but i can say that as an individual u has a right to follow what u want there is no religion which can stop u from doing this.
    as far as Attendingtheworld is concern , it is correct that u have made few spelling mistakes but it dosen’t matter if a person can get the real meaning of what u r saying , after-all u r not giving any lecture in oxford.People r always against u but there r also few people to support u as time passes these few people might increase and we might look for a better future in coming days.

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  12. Ri
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 16:49:54

    Every religion will tell you that if you don’t believe in it, you’re going straight to hell, or even worse, you’re going to be crushed by the good believers of the said religion.

    How many wars were started by atheists? How many riots started because an atheist was offended by something someone said about atheism? How many lives have been lost in the battle to defend atheist ‘holy land’?

    Ayya, thank you ever so much.

    You’ll like some of the links on the right side of my blog page, especially “Way of The Mind”.

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  13. quantumfoam
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 20:51:12

    Attendingtheworld
    i am mentioning here that the answer to those question u asked in ” is evil exist?” are not easy but i managed to do so if u feel please read them!

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  14. attendingtheworld
    Sep 06, 2007 @ 23:48:47

    Quantum,

    I did read the comments. I fail to see the specific answer or point here. Ayya seems totally blind to the fact, like others mentioned, every religion INCLUDING Christianity states that if you don’t believe in that faith, you will not be saved, are doomed, or will go to hell. Why she’s attacking one faith in particular while living in that world (Kuwait?) is beyond me. There’s a high level of hypocrisy in Ayya’s topic or response.

    In her profile, she states that one can feel free to comment as long as “you don’t insult my beliefs.” Interesting. So she does not want to be insulted but will insult one religion in particular without comparing how others also view the very same topic.

    Again, read my topic on Religion, Love… I have quotes in there for the uneducated.

    ATW

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  15. ayaz
    Sep 07, 2007 @ 07:45:07

    Verses in Qur’an are hardly to be taken for what they mean *in their entirety*. They have a context, and if one tries to interpret a particular verse in its entirety and without considering the context in which that verse was revealed or applies, one would come to a completely different conclusion about Islam (and most likely a negative conclusion).

    Let me quote that verse again within some context:

    “Fight for the sake of Allah those who fight against you but do not transgress. Allah does not love the transgressors. Kill them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. The sedition is worse than carnage. But do not fight them within the precincts of the sacred Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Fight against them until sedition is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight not except the oppressors” (2:190-93)

    I found the dialogue on this page pretty interesting: http://www.islamicvoice.com/march.2002/dialogue.htm

    In a language as vast and rich as Arabic, you can’t possibly read a passage and interpret it word by word and limit your interpretation of that passage to just that. Context is utmost to the understanding of most what is written in Arabic.

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  16. AyyA
    Sep 07, 2007 @ 08:46:36

    ayaz
    I am an Arab and I did read that verse word by word and understood it within its context. This verse was from sura Elbaqara and was directed to the believers to fight the nonbeliever at the opening of Mecca. The site you provided is Islamic directed to none-Arabic speaking individuals in an effort to defend the faith, more like an apologetic. If you could read Arabic I would have directed you to many sites written by Moslems for Moslems and you would have seen how this verse means exactly what it says.
    Here is one link of Tafseer Aljalalain and the official English translation

    http://www.eng6.com/quran/language.php?Action=3&ShowByQuranID=1&QuranID=198

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  17. quantumfoam
    Sep 07, 2007 @ 21:07:50

    To all :
    why u think that killing is the only way to make non believers came back to the right track , why u dosen’t want any peaceful manner of doing this , is that because u still feel insecure from inside? and faith and religion are two different things , religion need faith but faith doesn’t need religion. Is there any one whom did god talk this kind of things of killing people.
    today believer saying that they want to kill non believer , tommorow non-believer will say that they want to kill believer and day after tommorow no one left to say any thing.
    we all have to decide that we wanna see the upcoming days or not.

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  18. harmonie22
    Sep 09, 2007 @ 23:02:56

    Ayya: Amen! Very nicely said.

    This is our collective Muslim cultural hypocrisy.

    We don’t tolerate any criticism or anyone who veers from a ‘cultural interpretation’ of Islamic norm. So many Muslims ‘talk the talk’ but they don’t walk the walk.

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  19. DanDoon
    Sep 12, 2007 @ 01:30:54

    9a7 lsanich ya e5ty 🙂
    your articles are fantastic,hope u donn’t mind me snoopin’ into them like that

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