Know Your Enemy

And they say that Islam is the religion of peace???

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  1. soso
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 13:08:23

    هناك فرق بين المسلمين و الاسلام بين الرسالة و من يتبعها او يظن انه يتبعها

    هذا امر بسيط لم يستطع عقلك استيعابه او يرفض استيعابه

    الفيديو غبي و الاغبي هو من يعتقد ان هذا هو الاسلام

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  2. YASMEEN
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 13:45:38

    I agree with soso. whats a stupid video got to do with islam ?? i can show you more videos that have the same message . whats islam got to do with these idiots ? b3dain u whats the point ? whats ur point ? if u don’t beleive in religion why is it always on ur blog ? i find it strange that people who don’t beleive in allh dedicate their lives and time trying to prove he does not exist. al7mdila 3la ni3mat al3ql wa il iman.

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  3. bo9ali7
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 14:12:34

    الفراغ ,التعميم ,السطحية ,التسرع ,التفاهة اوالسذاجة
    اجمل عناوين لهذا البوست العظيم..عاد كيفج اختاري اللي تبين

    شنو الاستعباط هذا؟

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  4. AyyA
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 17:22:40

    Soso and Yasmeen
    If Islam is different, then I haven’t seen it.

    Bosale7
    Welcome back bro, and I will chose all the above 🙂

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  5. AyyA
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 18:53:46

    And to soso and Yasmeen, I have more for you here
    http://www.alarabiya.net/Articles/2007/01/16/30805.htm

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  6. AyyA
    Jan 16, 2007 @ 21:08:23

    Oppps the above link was the wrong one, but I fixed it now.
    And please read the comments to conclude what is Islam, and where it got us.

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  7. soud13
    Jan 17, 2007 @ 12:44:25

    Islam always was religion of Destroying and blood, why not?

    In the beginning of Islam in dark ages they use that way blood and killed to force non Muslims to become Muslim To increase Muslims in the world

    They didn’t do anything only that they have their own religion and Islam will change it by power.

    Good post as always ya 3asal 🙂

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  8. you-sif
    Jan 17, 2007 @ 15:26:08

    HI
    دوما وأبدا آية .. مواضيعك مثيرة ومتميزة

    ولا ألومك لأنك لا دينية .. واللوم على أتباع المنهج المنحرف

    تحياتي

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  9. Sever
    Jan 17, 2007 @ 17:23:28

    Ayya, but you know what kills more than anything in Islam?
    Duality in Quran.

    How often I heard from Muslims “I cry when I’m reading Quran”.
    I cried, too.
    But because of another reason…

    I love Muslims, really love.
    But I guess I love not the best Muslims for Islam.

    Also every religion is built on the blood of people, later or earlier.
    What to do.

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  10. NewMe
    Jan 17, 2007 @ 19:55:40

    اه يا وجع القلب
    الى متى هذا العبط
    ويلومونا!
    يخرب بيت عقول السباغيتي
    بيودونا في داهيه
    بوست رائع كعادتك
    دومي بحب
    تحياتي

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  11. AyyA
    Jan 17, 2007 @ 20:20:56

    Soud
    If any one is interested to know the real Islam, he’d have to look at its history with a critical eye. And analyze it accordingly. At the time of the prophet it was at its beginnings, and the Archangel Gabriel was always the genie that popped out of the bottle to solve any problem that faced the new believers. After the prophet’s death, archangel deserted the believers and the whole belief became messy. More additions and more subtractions till it got us to our situation today. Can this be the inflatable, final religion of humanity? I doubt that God had intended it to end this way.
    Take care

    You-sif
    When a doctor wants to diagnose a disease, he runs a check on the patient’s history before even conducting medical examinations. And to analyze the reason why Islam went astray (that’s if we believe that it wasn’t so from the beginning), then our diagnoses based on the history, and the reality check should lead us to the disease itself. You mentioned an excellent point; almanhaj almon7arif. In other wards the wrong doctrine. But you see, there is no wrong doctrine or right doctrine when it comes to Islam; there are many doctrines, and they’re left to man. Then where is God signature in that? And this is the disease.
    Cheers

    Sever
    I will add to “Duality in Quran” other elements; duality in 7adeath, duality in shareeah, duality in figh, duality in fawtas.. you name it. And that’s a good reason to believe that this can’t be divine. Quran claims that Islam is the last religion to humanity! How could that be true if Moslems themselves can’t agree what is Islam to begin with?
    Unfortunately; Moslems are very emotional when it comes to religion and they won’t admit that the problem is in religion itself. As I mentioned to you-sif above; we have to point our fingers, without being emotional, to the main source if we care to find any solution. We can go ahead and blame it all on the moon, but that won’t get us anywhere now, would it?

    “Also every religion is built on the blood of people, later or earlier” true
    Thanks for your valuable input.

    NewMe
    Ahlan wa sahlan bil a7bab, 6awalto elgaiba, and I missed you :*
    7ilwah 3qool elspagiti LOL

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  12. Hadji
    Jan 18, 2007 @ 06:03:43

    Yasmeen:

    “i find it strange that people who don’t beleive in allh dedicate their lives and time trying to prove he does not exist.”

    Hah! I agree with Yasmeen on this one.

    I can’t really hate or have any dislike for Ayya though, but that’s plainly because her blog doesn’t seem too successful. The only people agreeing with her are the people that have already made their minds about Islam even before reading what she had to say.

    The reason why I’m bothered to be here? Well, it’s 6:41am in the morning and there isn’t much to do. I come here for the kicks.

    soud13: “In the beginning of Islam in dark ages they use that way blood and killed to force non Muslims to become Muslim To increase Muslims in the world”

    Learn your history, my friend. You can’t force a people into accepting a faith that becomes popular enough to have the most devoted believers around the globe.

    Ayya: “I will add to “Duality in Quran” other elements; duality in 7adeath, duality in shareeah, duality in figh, duality in fawtas.. you name it. And that’s a good reason to believe that this can’t be divine. Quran claims that Islam is the last religion to humanity! How could that be true if Moslems themselves can’t agree what is Islam to begin with?”

    According to the hadeeth literature, there will be seventy three different sects that are formed out of Islam. Only one of those seventy three will actually be considered to be the true form and it was the Islam of Mohammed (pbuh) and the companions. The duality that you speak of doesn’t exist within this sect.

    Your argument is as baseless as saying something like, “Protestants and Catholics disagree with each other, therefore they are both false religions.”

    Ayya: “If Islam is different, then I haven’t seen it.”

    Well, I think we can both agree that you are somewhat biased in that statement. It might be hard to admit that since you’d rather point the finger at Muslims than at your own beliefs.

    I have an honest question. I really do see myself as a practicing Muslim that doesn’t have a criminal record. I occasionally give money to charity and I love kittens. I have good relationships with Jews, Christians, and even athiests. The last time I’ve ever physically hurt anyone was in the sixth grade and that’s because I was young and stupid. I also happen to dislike war, blood, and violence, except when it’s shown in movies.

    Please explain why do you see me and my people as a threat to the rest of the world.

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  13. AyyA
    Jan 18, 2007 @ 07:26:59

    Hadji
    ““i find it strange that people who don’t beleive in allh dedicate their lives and time trying to prove he does not exist.”

    Hah! I agree with Yasmeen on this one.”

    Not believing in Allah is one thing, and seeing my people pay a dear price for false beliefs and being used like sheep is another. Yes; I will dedicate my time and my life for that matter to awaken the sheeple. Enough atrocities, enough killing, enough fooling with our brains. As Arabs say “ lagad wasal alsail alzuba”.

    “I come here for the kicks.”
    So you like my kicks? 😉

    “there will be seventy three different sects that are formed out of Islam. Only one of those seventy three will actually be considered to be the true form and it was the Islam of Mohammed (pbuh) and the companions. The duality that you speak of doesn’t exist within this sect.”

    I think you are referring to Alfirga Alnajiya? If that is the case and those companions are the only saved group, then why bother if you know that you are not within that group beforehand?
    Or did you mean that the group (sect) you are following is the saved group? then how can you be sure? Were you there at the time of Mohammad to know exactly what was their preaching? And why not one of the other groups is the chosen group to be blessed in heaven?

    “Protestants and Catholics disagree with each other, therefore they are both false religions”

    They are both sects of the same religion, from the same God. Once a religion gets its doctrine from man, and diverts to different sects, then it ceases to become divine. It just becomes a word of man and not God. More or less like a doctrine of Hitler or Stalin, the only difference is the sacredness that religion engulfs its preaching, and the superstition that it uses to scare the masses into adherence. And instead asking Soud to read history, I wish that you could read more into your religion and be more rational about it.

    “you are somewhat biased in that statement. It might be hard to admit that since you’d rather point the finger at Muslims than at your own beliefs.”

    Did you read the commentators on the link I provided? This is Islam as I see it today; a bunch of lost souls, each is accusing the other and pointing fingers to others. And to add insult to injury; they point to an imaginary conspiracy theory. At least I am brave enough to point my finger to the cause of all this mess, instead of going in circles. And yes that won’t make me popular; being the black sheep of the herd, but it gives me a clear conscience. And I’m contented with that even if that does not make my blog successful as you claimed.

    “Please explain why do you see me and my people as a threat to the rest of the world.”

    As long as your faith is between you and your God, this is personal, as well as respected; after all it is your right. Why would I care if you even chose Godzilla to worship? But once a religion gets into politics, control and destruction of other people, then its not personal any more.
    And who said Islam is personal as a belief? If you know your religion well, you would know that there is no aspect of life that Islam missed; politics, society, trade, jihad, astronomy, even what prayer to recite before entering the bathroom. And if you don’t comply with those dogmas, you are not a true Moslem, you have created a religion of your own, where you took what you like from Islam and discarded what you don’t. And you know what Allah said about those who only take a part and leave the other.
    True; there are people who are minding their own business in any religion, therefore my criticism is not directed personally, it’s directed to the preaching of the religion that produces such radicalism.
    Ah and btw; you said you like kittens, what is your opinion about black dogs? :p

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  14. Sever
    Jan 18, 2007 @ 19:26:33

    It’s endless…

    “Moslems are very emotional”
    Not Moslems themselves… Arabs 🙂
    Just have a look at Russian Moslems & you will get it.

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  15. AyyA
    Jan 18, 2007 @ 21:14:04

    Sever
    Are you forgetting Indians, Pakistanis, and Afghanis? Or did you forget the Danish cartoon episode? But you have a point; Arabs take the lead when it comes to emotions 😀

    Hadja
    Here is an amusing story about Alfirga Alnajiya, enjoy

    http://www.alseyassah.com/alseyassah/opinion/view.asp?msgID=13502

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  16. Hadji
    Jan 19, 2007 @ 01:37:09

    Ayya:

    “Yes; I will dedicate my time and my life for that matter to awaken the sheeple. Enough atrocities, enough killing, enough fooling with our brains.”

    Heh, just be sure that you don’t quit your day job then. =)

    “If that is the case and those companions are the only saved group, then why bother if you know that you are not within that group beforehand?”

    The only saved group isn’t specific to a certain time or place, it’s open to anyone who shares their beliefs.

    “Or did you mean that the group (sect) you are following is the saved group? then how can you be sure? Were you there at the time of Mohammad to know exactly what was their preaching? And why not one of the other groups is the chosen group to be blessed in heaven? ”

    Research, my dear. The same thing that made you arrive at your conclusion about Islam and God.

    “They are both sects of the same religion, from the same God. Once a religion gets its doctrine from man, and diverts to different sects, then it ceases to become divine.”

    I agree, but here what you don’t seem to understand that some sects only refer to themselves as a seperate sect for the sole purpose of differentiating themselves from the rest. For example, Ahlul-sunnah wal Jama’a is a name that only exists to differentiate themselves from Shias and their likes.

    “And to add insult to injury; they point to an imaginary conspiracy theory. At least I am brave enough to point my finger to the cause of all this mess, instead of going in circles. And yes that won’t make me popular; being the black sheep of the herd, but it gives me a clear conscience.”

    Unfortunately you are right about this. Muslims often do create conspiracy theories and go around pointing fingers instead of pointing it at themselves. I don’t really have too much of a reason to defend Muslims. They are people like you and me. A lot of them are uneducated and a lot of them are very emotional when it comes to religion. They make mistakes. I’m not here to defend the actions of some or even the majority of Muslims. I’m here to defend Islam.

    “If you know your religion well, you would know that there is no aspect of life that Islam missed; politics, society, trade, jihad, astronomy, even what prayer to recite before entering the bathroom.”

    I don’t see how any one of these makes me a dangerous person. Unless you have raised your sword against me, you have nothing to fear. I don’t see what is so intimidating about a recitation before entering a washroom. I’m not planning to make my way into any political office and I’m merely minding my business when it comes to practicing my beliefs.

    You on the otherhand are more dangerous than I am. The only thing that you might ever be successful in is creating hating more hate towards a group of people that haven’t done anyone any harm.

    You may also be responsible for enticing “radical Islamic” actions that are taken by the less educated. I’m talking about the burning of churches and synagouges which are against the principles of the religion itself.

    You see, you might have the right intentions, but you’re not getting anywhere you want to be with your tone or your method of preaching. I can tell by reading the other arrogant posts here that see 1/5th of the world’s population to have spaghetti for brains.

    If you are really a seeker of peace, then you should change your methods instead of enticing hatred towards a large group of people that are just that emotional.

    Let go of your biases for just a moment and take a look at the responses that you are getting. It is obvious that you are more dangerous to society as a whole than the Muslim husband who “aggressively tortures” his wife with taps of a toothpick.

    “Ah and btw; you said you like kittens, what is your opinion about black dogs? :p”

    Not a fan of dogs in general.

    “Hadja
    Here is an amusing story about Alfirga Alnajiya, enjoy

    http://www.alseyassah.com/alseyassah/opinion/view.asp?msgID=13502

    Did you type “Hadja” on purpose…? Nice “article”. I’m sure you assumed that I didn’t know this story, because you probably wouldn’t have posted it otherwise since I know that it’s taken out of the context of war, where killing traitors is justified.

    On the otherhand, you assumed that I did know of this story, but you just wanted to rub it in my face in an attempt in making me lose my cool for a change.

    In any case, it’s most likely just an easy way of getting some ignorant young Muslims to get pissed off and aggressive really easily.

    Nice job in making the world a more peaceful place.

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  17. AyyA
    Jan 19, 2007 @ 05:43:05

    You do not seem to be getting the message Hadji. Moslems around the world do not need me to raise hatred towards them or to raise hatreds within them towards others. They have done a good job at that already. My writing is a mere voice of counter attack.
    Second; we have a major issue of difference here; I’m not against Moslems, I do not blame them as you do for what they are doing, I blame the religion that messed up their brains. And if you want me to stop criticizing Islam, make the one million and one sites stop filling young minds with garbage, stop the directed education that produced this radicalism. Those mojahideen are devout Moslems that were molded with such directed education. Stop Islamist’s interference in our lives.
    If you can do that then I would have no motive to write.
    As for Elfirga Alnajiya; I wonder what would have been the Jewish side of the story if anyone had survived long enough to write about it. Unfortunately; the winners write history. I recall Sadam Husain saying that freeing Kuwait was the path to free Palestine, and he got many supporters by saying that, but was that his real intention? He even displayed some Iraqis on TV jumping up and down (hosa) greeting him and he claimed those were Kuwaitis who asked for his aid to free them from Alsabah family. Were they Kuwaitis?
    Let’s go back to the Jews, weren’t they at their own land? Weren’t they defining their own faith? Wouldn’t Moslems have done the same if they were threatened? It does not seem to me that you are basing your beliefs on research; more on “tell it like it is” according to Moslem preaching.
    Oh, and btw; I’m retired; ya3ni fathiya likom 😀

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  18. Hadji
    Jan 20, 2007 @ 02:36:02

    “Oh, and btw; I’m retired; ya3ni fathiya likom”

    That’s interesting. I thought you were young. If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?

    “And if you want me to stop criticizing Islam, make the one million and one sites stop filling young minds with garbage, stop the directed education that produced this radicalism.”

    Oh, please! We’re not even close to a million. I only wish to see that day though. Thanks for trying to cheer me up though. =)

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  19. Hadji
    Jan 21, 2007 @ 03:17:35

    You’re not shy about your age, are you? =p

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  20. AyyA
    Jan 21, 2007 @ 07:23:54

    And why do you want to know my age? Do you want to marry me? :p
    Anyway; I’m off the market. :p

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  21. Hadji
    Jan 21, 2007 @ 18:41:52

    “And why do you want to know my age?”

    Like I said, I thought you were too young to be retired.

    “Anyway; I’m off the market. :p”

    Don’t forget to buy them veggies, granny. =)

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  22. AyyA
    Jan 21, 2007 @ 20:17:25

    Hadji
    “Don’t forget to buy them veggies, granny. =)”
    As usual; your likes turn the whole subject to personal when you lose your logical argument. This is the only weapon you know how to use. But rest assure that to me this is no insult, I live to see the day 😀

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  23. soud13
    Jan 21, 2007 @ 23:37:48

    Hadji

    Excuse me are u a man or women?

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  24. Hadji
    Jan 22, 2007 @ 00:15:55

    Ayya:

    “As usual; your likes turn the whole subject to personal when you lose your logical argument. This is the only weapon you know how to use. But rest assure that to me this is no insult, I live to see the day”

    I thought we were done arguing in this thread when you started talking about errands.

    Soud13:

    “Excuse me are u a man or women?”

    Unlike some folk around here, I don’t mind sharing some personal information. =)

    I’m a man.

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  25. Sever
    Jan 22, 2007 @ 14:26:34

    No no no, I remember of them… I mean all South peoples are emotional. & our Armenians & Georgians, for example.
    But Arabs… just as you said 😀

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