Miracles or Massacres

There is a vast misconception in mixing religion with science; like mixing water with oil, for religion is based on faith and science is based on (as Penn Jillette mentioned on his showtime show Penn and Teller’s Bullshit) evaluation, survey, hypothesis, observation, testing and debate. Notice that the final stage is “debate” which means other questions and more reseach. And as we can see the two approaches for a belief are incompatible ; one is complete, the other is not. To understand this statement more let’s define each:

  • Faith in religion: a belief and trust in and loyalty to God, belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion, firm belief in something for which there is no proof, complete trust.
  • Science: a knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific methods, such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena.

In other words; faith is based on a belief of the complete unknown, while science is a path to discover the unknown. Knowledge through faith is a complete doctrine, while knowledge in science keeps wavering according to the available evidences. And to mix the two; theologians and scientists are making a big mistake.

If you believe in complete dogmas of your religion, then you just take it as it is without testing its authenticity. But once you start your research on finding proofs, then your belief is not solid, and the mere fact of checking the evidences would prove your doubt.

Moreover; your search would be so agonizing. You will try every trick on the book to prove what you were supposed to believe in without questioning. And at the end; you will only make a fool of yourself and strike a big blow to your belief when you prove that it’s so shallow.

Take a look at the program of The Eighth Islamic Conference of the Miracles of Quran * that is held in Kuwait this week. And let’s check some weird titles:

تميز بول الغلام من دلائل النبوة الخاتمة
Translation: the urine of male children is the characteristic proof that the prophet Mohammad was the last messenger of God.

Now just reading that title one gets nauseated; The title itself is insulting. Does the prophet need little boy’s urine to prove that he was the last messenger? Or do the faithful need any proof, let alone such degrading and shallow proof?
The so-called doctor (as the capital D in front of his name indicates) spent time and effort to research and present his paper. Wouldn’t it be more productive if this doctor researched scientifically in the areas of his field, and discovered a cure that is acknowledged internationally? But with his paper, he not only defied himself, he also destroyed the reputation of the school that gave him such a degree, and more dangerously he ruined his own faith by degrading the prophet’s tradition and insulting all Moslems.

Let’s take a look at another title:

تأثير العسل على عوامل التجلط في الفئران
Translation: the effect of honey on elements of blood clotting in Guinea pigs.

Now what does that have to do with miracles of Quran? This fact was known since the ancient Greeks. Ancient Egyptians described it as an effective treatment for wounds. Why should Quran get the copyright of this supposedly so great a discovery? Or more logically; does Quran need any miracle to defend itself, if God Himself declared that the only miracle of Quran is its infallibility? Surely God does not need others to question that.

I will not go over the rest of the titles, most of which are old researches done by others and can easily be found on the Net.Then why eight conferences? mako shigul?

But the fight between science and religion is not only correlated to Moslems. The Christian West also had and still has much trouble in coexisting with science. Any new theory or discovery raised rages throughout history, and at times it escalated to violence through religious believer’s circles.

Take evolution as an example; since publishing Charles Darwin’s book “The Origin of Species” a fierce fight broke between religious groups and scientists. In one incident a young Tennessee science teacher was convicted of teaching evolution when a religious verdict act prohibited it. And thence the famous Monkey Trial took place and occupied headlines in the media of the early twenties (click here for more on that ).

And lately religious groups came up with the new trend of teaching “creationism” as a science subject in opposition to “revolution”, although creation as a theory will still be based on faith and not science. And to the faithful it should not be treated as a theory but as an unquestionable fact.

In conclusion;

So much time an effort spent
On science and decedents
One of which is still evolving
The other is beyond doubt

May be someday paths cross
Or may be not
At the end each one is free
On the face of the revolving
To submit
Or to not

Now let’s watch evolution taught by Mrs Garrison and then Richard Dawkins

* Thanks DA for providing the link
An update
I don’t know why the youtube video clip disappeared, anyway this is the link:

16 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. white wings
    Nov 30, 2006 @ 19:25:36

    ayya darling
    fascinating as usual, and the ending of that video is just charming 🙂
    Dr. Ahmad Al-Bshara published an excellent article on the subject in Al-Qabas today, illustrating many of your points here..
    I can’t see how this group of “scientists” failed to realize how much what they’re doing is actually hurting the ideaology of faith, they are hurting their own cause with what they’re doing…
    and I expected something about honey, but urine? that one I didn’t see 🙂
    miss you lady 🙂


  2. kasik ya watan
    Nov 30, 2006 @ 23:43:40

    رائعة كالعادة يا آيا

    المقارنة بين العلم والإيمان سلطت الضوء على حقيقة تغاضى عنها الكثيرون

    لقد إختصر أحمد البغدادي الموضوع بتعليقه الذي ختم به مقاله في جريدة السياسة يوم الأربعاء 29/11/2006 حين قال التالي:

    إذا كان الباحثون في مؤتمر الإعجاز العلمي للقرآن والسنة النبوية صادقين مع أنفسهم فيما كتبوا فعليهم التعهد علناً عدم اللجوء إلى الدواء الغربي أو المستشفيات الغربية إذا أصابهم أي مرض. ونحن بالانتظار, ولن يتعهدوا, وستجدهم وعلى رأسهم وزراء الأوقاف أول من يبحث عن العلاج الغربي حال المرض. والله ثم والله, لولا الدواء الغربي لهلك حكام المسلمين قبل مواطنيهم.

    إنهتى الإقتباس

    صدقت يا بغدادي … والبلوة أن أمير الكويت وايد معطيهم ويه ورايح مفتتح المؤتمر … تعتقدين لو كان مؤتمر الصحة العالمي أو البحث العلمي كان راح إفتتحه سموه

    … وكاسك


  3. luloo
    Nov 30, 2006 @ 23:58:07


    لمست قضية مهمة جدا هي حديث هذا الاسبوع … التناقض والازدواجية هي سمة مجتماعتنا المبتلية بهذه العقول الفارغة … الدين لا يعتمد على العلم والعلم لا يرتبط بالدين .. وذلك لأن الدين نقل وليس عقل … والدليل على ذلك انهم يأخذون النصوص الدينية بما فيها من معجزات كمسلمات بديهية دون الحاجة لاثباتها علميا



  4. NewMe
    Dec 01, 2006 @ 15:32:21

    في كل مرة أقرؤك
    يزداد ايماني
    باننا في هذه البقعة في العالم
    لازلنا نملك عقول
    لكن هيهات يسمح لها
    بممارسة حرية التعبير
    ولذلك سنبقى نرزح هنا
    فليس لنا مكان الا عبر هذا الفضاء
    قد يأتي يوماً نفكر فيه بصوت عال
    وحتى يأتي
    سأظل أقرؤك
    لأحتفظ بأملي الصغير في عقلي
    علني أحضى بفرصة الحياة في المجتمع الذي اتمنى يوما ما
    أشكر عقلك وقلمك
    واعشق اصرارك واستمرارك الواثق
    دومي بحب


  5. soud13
    Dec 01, 2006 @ 16:59:34

    موضوع رائع كالعادة

    فصل الدين عن العلم وبالتالى فصل الدين عن الدوله

    الدوله مدنيه لا دين لها تجمع تحت رايتها جميع الأديان هو السبيل للتقدم والتطور فى أى مجتمع


  6. soud13
    Dec 01, 2006 @ 17:01:03

    Ps I forget to write my comment in english 😉


  7. AyyA
    Dec 01, 2006 @ 20:21:08

    I know dear the urine thing is really pathetic, and did you notice this title:
    الإعجاز في التفريق بين بول الجارية وبول الغلام الرضيع

    walla I missed you too sweetie, been very busy the last few weeks :*

    Unfortunately I couldn’t get a hold of Dr. Albagdadi’s article and I agree with what you quoted for him 100%, bas lilasaf, people like him are scarce in this country.

    And about the Amir’s opening of the conference; that goes to show you the direction of intentionally politicizing Islam in this country in order to divert public opinion from the matters of state. But I believe that is a big mistake, Islamism I believe is the next unbreakable foe the legitimate government has to deal with, and sooner than we think, but that’s another story, may be I’ll write about it one day.

    Missed you so much girl :*
    الدين نقل وليس عقل
    I couldn’t have said that any better

    It gives me great pleasure to have readers like you who do understand. And my insistence comes from the degree of remorse I’ve reached with this society. It breaks my heart to see my country rolling backwards in dark ages. But your comment and others here is the burning light of my candle. Hope to always see you well sweetie.

    فصل الدين عن العلم وبالتالى فصل الدين عن الدوله
    This would be a dream come true, and don’t worry about your Arabic, killa 7illo 3ala qulbi 🙂


  8. Mystique
    Dec 02, 2006 @ 01:55:28

    I am quite happy to have found your blog today..
    My warmest Regards



  9. wraithlike
    Dec 02, 2006 @ 11:40:07

    فصل الدين عن العلم وبالتالى فصل الدين عن الدوله

    Tell that to George Bush Jr. who said in 2003:

    “God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”



  10. soud13
    Dec 02, 2006 @ 14:32:13

    I doubt he said that

    Even then, there’s uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen’s account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English.


  11. AyyA
    Dec 02, 2006 @ 23:05:03

    Ya halla wi mar7aba bekil ahal Jidah, elbait batich wi ma6ra7ich, welcome any time dear 🙂

    First of all; American constitution is a secular one, yet like any other politician; GBJ uses religion to justify his unjustifiable actions, especially after 9/11. And there are lots of sheep that buy it. Wi 3indina wi 3indohom khair wayid. And although I have heard about him making that statement about Iraq, yet, I haven’t heard that about Elqaeda, I think Abo Mazen zawad elbaharat ishwayah, and this is normal at this end of the world, or may be as Soud mentioned in his comment.



  12. kila_ma6goog
    Dec 03, 2006 @ 00:24:26

    اليوم الأحد الساعة سبعة و نص مساء سيتم عرض فيلم عندما يتكلم الشعب الجزء الثاني للمخرج عامر زهير في فندق حياة ريجينسي بحضور الدكتور أحمد الخطيب


  13. AyyA
    Dec 03, 2006 @ 00:37:53

    Thanks dear, I’ll try my best to be there 😀


  14. q80_demon
    Dec 05, 2006 @ 00:55:36

    Don’t mention it, its my pleasure.
    BTW, Penn and Teller: BS! is an institution! Sometimes we need a confrontational attitude to drive a point. Besides, the show is *FUNNY*; i’m still laughing at that guy in the circumcision episode with that dangling thingy attached to his …


  15. AyyA
    Dec 05, 2006 @ 11:33:22

    That was the most disgusting thing I ever saw, yukkkkk :p
    But loved the whole show and can’t wait for their fourth season.


  16. q80_demon
    Dec 05, 2006 @ 12:57:04

    In a certain dewaneya, one of the guys almost laughed himself to suffocation watching that scene 😀 now we have a standing challenge to anyone who’d demonstrate something similar in front of us!

    Personally, the most disgusting thing I’ve seen was in the pets episode (the fourth season, which was unusually shorter than the previous years??) :-


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