This is a Crime

“Kuwait University’s faculty of Sharia, Prof Mohammed Al-Tabtebaei, recently issued a fatwa about how women should vote in the forthcoming parliamentary elections, reported Al-Watan.
In it, Al-Tabtebaei said husbands could direct their wives’ voting choice by using their right of divorce, or the threat of divorce, if they vote for a candidate other than their choice. He said that even if a woman does so in secret she could still be legally divorced”
Kuwaittimes

Dr. Massuma Almobarak, the minister of Planning declared that this is against woman’s right to practice her freedom to choose who can represent her in the National Assembly. She added that she brought the subject to the attention of the Council of Ministers and she asked Justus minister to give an explanation of such fatwa according to AlGabas

Using religion in politics is the most serious and dangerous tool that some are manipulating as the day of the election is getting closer. Notice the excerpt “even if a woman does so in secret she could still be legally divorced” and imagine what pressure such women are going through, because the matter becomes an issue of 7aram wa 7alal for some women with true faith. Can you see how grave this is? And what implication it has on the structure of a family?
Sorry Dr. Massuma; but I think sterner actions should be taken against such Fatwas that only aim to keep women followers to their men. This is blackmailing of the first degree and I think that Dr. Altabtobai should be taken to court. This is a crime that should be punished by law; it’s against our constitution which has given women the freedom of choice.

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37 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Delicately Realistic
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 15:18:00

    Inqimat galby after i read that.

    Why do they have to ruin everything?
    Astagfor Allah.

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  2. skunk
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 15:50:00

    so can anyone issue a fatwa?

    in that case i’m issuing a fatwa against that moron from being allowed to breathe since its wasting prescious air that more intelligent single celled organisms require.

    single celled organisms after all atleast serve a purpose in this life unlike many multicelled idiots 😛

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  3. Jewaira
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 16:40:00

    I will also post about this subject as it makes my blood boil to have such a nonsensical fatwa issued.

    It seems like this is “their” last card, to play against controlling Kuwaiti women.

    We should not be that stupid to believe anything that Tabtabaei has to say. And yes, there should be an uproar at the implication of what he is saying.

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  4. A3sab
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 18:41:00

    I couldnt stop laughing when I first read the fatwa its completey absurd….shar ilbaliyyati ma yu6’7ik

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  5. q80_demon
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 19:18:00

    Dear Ayya;
    You think Prof. (LoooL!) Tabtebaaei (sp?) actually comprehends the concepts of civil laws or constitutions? He is a professor of Sharia, and that explains his atrocious opinions. And he is not alone, for who actually chooses to study Sharia? The answer is simple: those who are not competent enough to go to real schools, those who have no talents or who are simply too lazy to do anything meaningful would end up in ma3had deeni or kuleya’at al-sharia. Eventually, a number of those truants end up writing some laughably useless paper (ex: how to punish disobedient slaves according to Islamic traditions), and they end up with a degree in SHARIA 😀

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  6. Ben Rivard
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 20:11:00

    Delicately Realistic, they haven’t ruined anything just yet. The issuance of this fatwa is going to be the beginning of the end for those who have absolutely no respect for women rights and the laws.

    Also, I doubt this is what the late Amir HH Sheikh Jaber al-Ahmad al-Sabah (pbuh) had in mind when he promoted political rights for women. Prof Mohammed Al-Tabtebaei has absolutely no respect for his legacy. This fatwa is nothing less than a carte blanche to blackmail women as well as deny their constitutional, legal and human rights. Prof Mohammed Al-Tabtebaei should be prosecuted immediately to the fullest extent of the laws he is breaking.

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  7. Òrange Juice™
    Jun 01, 2006 @ 20:19:00

    Okay at first am not a Kuwaiti so I just can’t imagine what the women are going through right now but so far I’ve only read harsh comments I think Dr. Mohammed Al-Tabtebaei(he is just human)is very reliable but I think what people should be focusing more is what are the proofs he used both from the Quran and Sunnah that backed this Fatwa am just wondering did he issue a fatwa for single women as well
    I Think Dr.Tabtebaei is against women voting he found a way through the legal system to restrict women’s freedom.(these are just my views)
    What is Haram here is disobeying ur huband not the actual right of voting and I think if husbands use there right of threat to divorce they are taking advantage of his right I think that way the women will loose respect for her husband.Atleast the husband should offer an explanation.
    I just hope this elections don’t end up into a series of divorces and court cases.
    In the end all I can say is God knows best.

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  8. AyyA
    Jun 02, 2006 @ 09:41:00

    Delicately Realistic
    That’s what I felt when I read this.

    Skunk, a3sab and DA
    I do understand that Dr. Altabtobai had issued many ridiculous fatwas before, but this one is serious especially when it is brought up at this time. Not everybody is broad minded, and not all will think this is funny. And don’t forget the voting force of women. Men; especially religious ones might easily use this fatwa to their benefits. And this is deception. Women, on the other hand are more sentimental about religious issues, for some Altabtabai is a respected figure. So they could easily take the bate.
    This issue is about 7alal and 7aram for some. Let’s assume that a woman wants to vote for “X” and her husband wanted her to vote for “Y” and he cunningly used the divorce issue, and don’t tell me that this won’t happen, some men kill each other in elections. She either obeys her husband and loose her right which I believe is more probable, or vote secretly and feel guilty all her life for sinning or even get a divorce in a worst scenario.
    In any case; this has a very negative implication on the overall results.

    Lady J
    I think that you should do that, it is damn serious.

    Ben
    Thank you; I couldn’t have said it better

    Orange voice
    What you just said is exactly the other side of the coin; they want to distract people from the main issue: fighting corruption. They want us women to go seek shiyookhs and da3iyas and waste time discussing this fatwa issue. They want to create disturbances in each household. It smells really fishy.

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  9. shady q80
    Jun 02, 2006 @ 22:16:00

    As if this country doesn’t already have its fair share of domestic/marital problems…

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  10. Papillona ®
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 09:00:00

    Shame on you Tabtobai.
    Why now? Because they’re using religion (as always) for political gain. Not shocking at all..

    But what kills me is that many people will actually follow this fatwa. because Allah said: ” وأطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولى الأمر منكم”

    يعني مسيو طبطبائي من أولي الأمر
    استخفاف بعقول الناس جذي ما شفت
    يبي يخرب بيوت الناس علشان حرية اختيار
    خوش

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  11. Mini Я.
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 11:05:00

    tara it’s not an official fatwa..he only made a suggestion to MAKE it a fatwa..it’s not his right to issue fatwas without a council. if the council of scholars (3uluma’a) agree, then it’s a fatwa.
    I haven’t seen/heard anything from anyone except him.

    ma 3enda salfa yuba..after all..he enjoys mexico’s beaches & their hot muchachas 😉

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  12. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 12:58:00

    A lot of people had a go on this guy from a misquoted article in the newspaper of propaganda and disinformation.

    What was reported in Alwatan is not accutate. I saw and heard Dr. Tebtebai on Alrai last night. He clearly said that a woman’s political opinion and vote should NOT be directed by her husband or anyone else. It should be hers and hers alone because she has an independant and distinguished personality (thimma mostaqilla 3an alrajul).

    He went on answering a question on whether divorce takes effect when a man makes it conditional on her voting,that this husband is WRONG and has committed a SIN by doing so. However, divorce does take effect because it only requires the word regardless of the condition.

    mini r.
    mexico beaches was someone else not this man.

    Its a shame how people rush to mockery and ridicule without proper knowledge

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  13. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 13:18:00

    q80_demon,

    I pitty you for your ignorance. I can’t comprehend the reasons behind your mockery of Sharia studies except to think that you don’t know a thing about it. In our primative nature we reject what we don’t know.

    Studies of Sharia includes so many disciplines from which today have sprung many sciences such as, Islamic Philosophy (3ilm Alkalam), Logic and Ethical Argument (almantiq wa adab al7ewar), Arabic Literature (grammar and eloquency: na7o o balagha), History and the science of documentation (3ilm altadween), even Music is a result of the discipline of Tajweed (according to Zaki Naseef, the famous lebanese musician: Arabic Music wouldn’t have came about without the study of quranic recitation). There are many other sciences that came out of Sharia studies to become independant in their own right.

    Studies of Sharia is one of the most comprehensive and valuable disciplines ever known to mankind.

    As tempting it is to have a go at you for your obvious disability, I will restrain myself and hope you’d gain something out of this.

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  14. AyyA
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 13:46:00

    shady q80
    you can say that again.

    You know Papi; some years back when I worked with WSCS on women’s political rights we used to have phone calls from women in tribal areas praising the movement. They complained with true sadness how they couldn’t join our movement because of their husbands. Some of these women were highly educated but seriously religious and believed in obeying their men as a sacred ritual. And I’m sure that this does not only apply to tribal women.What will happen to these women. Many women feel the sense of freedom to be able to give her voice to whom she believes in without the interference of her husband especially that the boll is secret.
    Just the other day we were at a gathering with Dr. Badriyah AlAwadi as the main speaker, she mentioned this specific issue that she encountered with many women. Actually; it was some women who brought this subject up. For some it’s a vital issue. There was a sense of relief when Dr. Badriyah assured them of their rights religiously as well as politically, and that they have all rights to keep their votes secret. This gathering took place way before Al6ab6abai issues his Fatwa.

    Mini Я.
    It doesn’t matter dear, the fact that such utterance was from a person respected by many is enough to cause disturbance.

    Zade
    “this husband is WRONG and has committed a SIN by doing so. However, divorce does take effect because it only requires the word regardless of the condition”
    Does this SIN PROHIBITS such a husband touching his wife? Ya3ni ma 6a7 inbi6a7!!!
    WHY IN THE HELL HE HAS TO ISSUE SUCH A FATWA NOW? This is the question.
    Almuhri; a Sheeat prominent religious figure even confirmed this fatwa more by saying that a woman can’t go out without the permission of her husband. So what if a man swears divorce to his wife if she left her house on the day of the election when her husband orders her to stay home?
    And who is next?

    Al6ab6ubai is creating a subject to distract people from fighting corruption. And this is my answer.

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  15. AyyA
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 13:56:00

    typo
    boll=poll

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  16. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:11:00

    Ayya,

    I don’t understand the “touching” part. However, as I said earlier he only mentioned this subject because he was asked and had to provide an answer.

    But again, you mislead yourself and your readers by ignoring the disinformation you were posting and focusing on the “why”. In the beginning you objection was on the content of his fatwa. Now that we all know you objection was baseless due to improper sources, you neglect your ethical obligation to admit you were wrong in your accusation and judgement. You then skillfuly shift to focusing on “why” has he issued this fatwa at this very time, hinting at a grand conspiracy conceived by this guy in collaboration with government officials. Well, that’s all sweet and nifty, but like before, i’m sorry.., its baseless.

    I can’t say anything about almuhri because i have no proper knowledge on his opinion in the subject.

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  17. Hanan
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:14:00

    Ayya. Unfortunately. His technique is working and this is indeed distracting people from more serious political issues like intikhabat far3ia o shera ela9wat.

    With that said. Tabtabaee seems to have been misquoted. Either that or he has retracted. Today we hear him saying that a husband has no right to order his wife regarding who she should or shouldn’t vote for. But Alwatan on Thursday says:
    وقال الطبطبائي لـ «الوطن» امس مجدداً ان الطلاق يقع في مثل هذه الحالة الافتراضية، ولكن لا يحق للزوج التدخل في اختيار الزوجة لمن تصوت له.
    So he has no right to interfer, but if he did, divorce will be in action?

    I don’t understand politics. But I don’t understand religion even more.

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  18. mosan mosan
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:28:00

    My Fatwa is as follows

    They are all morons who say women cant vote or its justfied to divorce your wife becuase which candidate she decieded to vote for or you cant leave the house without your husbeand permission

    these ppl should not exist.

    for pete’s sake someone explain to me how those ppl think.

    last point they said all this becuase they are scared, they are loosing their power..

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  19. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:29:00

    Alwatan is a tabloid newspaper. It is known to stir up a storm in a teacup. Before long you will read front page headlines of a two-headed woman giving birth to a monkey.

    Look, everyone draws his/her own conclusion depending on their motives. From his interview in Alrai Dr. Tebtebai said that he wants to issue a warning to all husbands using divorce to influence their wives opinion not to do so because it is unlawful. Maritial jurisprudence dictates that a man can divorce his wife by mere utterance of the word and that this should not be taken lightly.

    These are the real facts.

    Objectivity is a virtue.

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  20. mosan mosan
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:31:00

    did you find my comment on the pic ?

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  21. Trina Flowers
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:37:00

    Mini R,

    The man you refer to is Dr Waleed al-Tabtabae the former MP and chair of the human rights committee at the National Assembly.

    His escapade in Mexico was well documented so it was rather ridiculous when he lied about it so forcefully (even threatened to sue).

    But what else can a supreme hypocrite do?

    Zade,

    First, like your name.

    Second, I think you ought to investigate for yourself that Tabtabae and the government are co-conspirators in this political snafu currently taking place in Kuwait.

    I don’t know if you are that naive, ignornant or corrupt but do wake up and smell the bullshit.

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  22. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:51:00

    trina flowers,

    Why should I investigate such accusation? Verification is the responsability of the accuser. You are the one making the claim and you’re asking me to verify it? Sorry, but that’s a bit absurd.

    If you can prove this I will be more than happy to accept it. Trust me, I have no inhibitions blurring my vision of the truth. But until you do so I’m afraid my nose will continue to be blocked from smelling your bullshit.

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  23. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:55:00

    trina,

    One more thing, you don’t know me and to accuse me of being either naive, corrupt or “ignornant” (enti ketbeeha 3adel awal) just shows how morally and intellectually bankrupt you are. Shame on you.

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  24. Trina Flowers
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 15:18:00

    Zade,

    You’re right I don’t know you and if you’d read carefully I wrote:

    “I don’t know if you are that naive, ignornant or corrupt but do wake up and smell the bullshit.”

    I didn’t accuse you of anything; however, you did accuse me by stating: “just shows how morally and intellectually bankrupt you are.”

    You don’t know me either.

    If you had read any of the other pieces I’ve written over the years, you would have read evidence (from Kuwait’s own ministries I might add) of my claims.

    I always suggest that people who initially would disbelieve (as I once did) to obtain evidence on their own since that will make a believer out of them very quickly, if said individual really wants to know the truth of something.

    Time will tell if you are truly as open-minded as you claim.

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  25. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 16:06:00

    trina,

    I stand by my statement because thinking that you didn’t accuse me of anything is just ludicrous. If you are not morally and intellectually bankrupt then you must be delusional. You have demonstrated this part in your argumentative skills, enough for me to think that.

    Now you’re throwing the burden on me to go dig up your old comments? You must understand one thing, I have no motive to defend or attack Tebtebai. I only chose to comment when I saw his interview last night, where he stated what seems to be a very reasonable argument; one that had been highly misrepresented in the blogs.

    I never said he’s corrupted nor have I denied that. I don’t know anything about the man. I simply reject to draw such a conclusion from the premise of this incident because its logically invalid.

    As to putting me in probation until I demonstrate to you my open-mindedness, please allow me to put you out of your misery: I do not claim to be open-minded. In fact, I resent this term because I’d like to think of myself as fair-minded.

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  26. Trina Flowers
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 16:38:00

    Zade,

    Thank you. You just made “my argument” for me and did a fine job of it especially in the number of fallacies you committed.

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  27. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 18:43:00

    Ayya,

    You will find confirmation of what i said earlier in the following article:

    http://www.alqabas.com.kw/Final/NewspaperWebsite/NewspaperPublic/ArticlePage.aspx?ArticleID=172894

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  28. Zade
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 18:45:00

    even,

    http://www.alqabas.com.kw/
    Final/NewspaperWebsite/
    NewspaperPublic/
    ArticlePage.aspx?ArticleID=172894

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  29. burakan
    Jun 03, 2006 @ 20:02:00

    تماما خارج الموضوع
    ..
    ..
    3:45 AM
    أبا الحكم ابن هشام said…
    أيا / رباب

    يا امرأة هطلت كلماتها

    مرايا صدفية

    تعلقت كل منها بنجمة

    تدلت من قباب السماء

    بخيوط الفجر

    أقرأ لها

    فأتجول بين عناقيد الصدف

    خطوات ظمأى

    تبدأ بعناق جبيني

    تنتشي وتنتعش وترتعش

    تصيبني اهتزازاتها

    قيثارة بأوتار الروح

    صوت قادم من المستحيل

    ابتهالات الأصداف

    في محراب – أبراجي

    تضرب – الودع

    فتبدد أسراب الوجع

    في أقاصي الحزن

    سترتدين اليوم من كلماتك

    اكليل صدف

    تتزينين به

    يا صدى اللوعات والأشواق

    يا عهد

    على الابداع باق

    والآن استأذنك..أريد أن أشهد

    كيف تتألق حبات الصدف

    هذه كانت كلمات مولانا ابالحكم وايش جاب الثرى للثريا على ما قال لي موبي

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  30. AyyA
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 13:02:00

    zade
    Listen; your guy had backed off in a very irresponsible and untrustworthy fashion. The fact that he did not send a letter complaining “his misquote” as you claim and demanding to publish his explanation at the same space in Alwatan only proves his collaboration with this filthy, pro government newspaper.
    7abeebi, elmas2al wath7a wi ma yabeelha nabaha, he had accomplished his part and the damage is already done. I still think that he should be taken to court as well as Alwathan, so that not kil min hab wi dab yafti 3ala kaifah.

    Hanan
    I do understand political religion because our region is becoming its fertile land.

    Trina
    No matter how much cloudy it gets, the sun would eventually rise, and it will dazzle eyes with orange reflections upon its sand. Patience sister, patience until the right time.

    Burakan
    Ahhhhh
    You thrilled and honored me with your presence, yet saddened me with AbaAl7akam’s poem. Am I the only one who misses him? Why do I find myself looking for him especially at this time? But you know what? I still haven’t lost hope that his sun would rise again, even if this was a mirage as some had told me.

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  31. AyyA
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 13:06:00

    Mosano baby
    I checked flicker, and I did not get any new comments. I saw a favorite choice, was that the one you meant?

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  32. mosan mosan
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 15:04:00

    Habibat Albi

    check your e. mail I sent the pic ..
    anyway you should have founded yourself becuse you would have known as soon as you saw it

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  33. AyyA
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 15:10:00

    Heheheeeeeeee
    Yeh I got your point, shai6an :*

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  34. q80_demon
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 19:24:00

    Zade:
    [yawn] we did this, we did that, blaaah, blaaah blaaaah … centuries ago, Zzzzz. I’m talking today, now, our society; name me a brilliant A-student who willingly went to study @ ma3had deeni / sharia college?

    AyyA: You’ve been tagged >:->

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  35. Trina Flowers
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 20:01:00

    Ayya,

    Patience is something I learned in Kuwait and I’ve been patient for several years now. Waiting the bit longer that I’m forced to will be nothing especially since those corrupt individuals (Kuwaitis, Americans, et al) will face the justice each of them deserve; it will have been worth the wait.

    Not to mention the other issues that are involved and will be resolved as a result.

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  36. hamad
    Jun 04, 2006 @ 22:59:00

    مبروك اطلاق قناة نبيها تحالف

    على قمر عربسات
    arabsat
    frq: 11210
    pol: ver. ( v)
    s/r : 3000
    fec : 3/4
    وانشالله تكون منبر من منابر الاصلاااح .

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  37. AyyA
    Jun 05, 2006 @ 05:15:00

    DA
    Thanks dear, soon inshallah

    Trina
    🙂

    Hamad
    Thanks

    Reply

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