Mosalsal 6ash ma 6ash

I heard that the caricature that raised all the mambo jumbo was of a man with a bomb on his head and underneath was written “Mohammad”, to tell you the truth; I did not see the caricature myself, just have read about it here and there. But if that is the case; then how many Mohammads do we have in the Islamic community? Mohammad here symbolizes a Moslem figure in the eyes of the world today. Islam insults all Christians and Jews by dubbing them as “ kiradah wa khanazeer” (monkeys and pigs) besides other verses that do not come to mind now. And our Islamists have done a good job in expressing their hatred all over the media. And apparently for no good reason other than that it is according to Islamic preaching. But I don’t see any protest from the Christian community escalating to the level of countries (I deliberately excluded the Jews not to get into a Pandora box). But when a Christian symbolized Islamists as being suicide bombers, the artist did not come with something that is untrue. This is the picture of Islam in the world today. Thanks to our fundamentalists.
I really want to know what is this big fuss about? Who is benefiting from this?
People, please stop being judgmental, repeating every word others tell you. They are misusing your religious sympathy. Dig into it yourselves and then judge.
I don’t have more to say other than what my grandmother used to tell me when she disagreed with me: Allah yahadeekom

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11 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. A3sab
    Jan 31, 2006 @ 18:58:00

    i agree with all the way but i dont think the qoran dubbed people of other faiths as “qirada w khanazeer” thats what extremists call them its their interpretation.

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  2. Jacqui
    Jan 31, 2006 @ 21:29:00

    I was thinking the same exact thing, I actually saw the caricature on one website and it was just some bearded guy with a bomb on his head which resembled his “e3mama” or the head dress similar to the ghitra, and had the words of Mohammad and Allah on it, I was like so how is he the Prophet, Get a life people seriously!

    If we were to do this, then why didn’t the Christians or Jews react to whatever is being sad about them or done about their religion? Why only us?

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  3. Ms.Baker
    Jan 31, 2006 @ 22:13:00

    Ayya-

    I also think the issue has gotten out of control and attained hysterical proportions. It is obviously the distorted opinion of one man, and has no bearing on our Prophet (PBUH) because it is so outrageous. Honestly, why go to such lengths because one man decides to draw some silly cartoons depicting his ignorance? Does it mean they are true? All it points to is that this man is intolerant and ignorant of the Islamic faith, something which many muslims are guilty of themselves regarding other religions such as Christianity and Judaism.

    Too much credence and importance is being given to this nonsense. I simply delete the emails that come into my inbox regarding the issue. I cannot believe there are blind boycotts of Danish products because of this!

    A cartoon drawn by an ill-informed person is not going to shake my faith or belief.

    It’s a pity that ignorance sometimes begets even more ignorance…

    Ms Baker

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  4. jashanmal
    Jan 31, 2006 @ 23:00:00

    I recall when Jerry Farewell the head of the Southern Baptist Church (16 million americans are constiteunts of this chuch) was interviewed by O’Reily post 911 and many others from the religious right like Robertson, all bluntly dissed the prophet and Jerry called him a pediphile and a child molestor….Even CAIR(coucil on arab islamic relations) didnt send in any statements protesting these outrageuos insults and none in the Arab and Muslim world dared to say anything.I guess they were afraid of America’s wrath since emotions at the time were high and the guns were all blazing!

    أبوي مايقدر إلا على أمي

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  5. Jewaira
    Feb 01, 2006 @ 09:47:00

    You’re right there Jashanmal. Why now and only this, against Denmark, when there have been religious trespasses before in other countries?

    I am just wondering what they have done with all those Danish products they removed from the shelves? Stored them till this is over and then put new expiry dates on them?

    Or dump them in the garbage bins while there are so many hungry and needy people out there?

    Perhaps they are re-sold in Friday market. Or distributed amongst relatives and friends.

    Who knows?

    If you look on the net, you will find material that is much more offensive than those cartoons, and words that will make any moderate Muslim cringe.

    Whether we like it or not, there is a whole propaganda against Muslims everywhere now and that is fuelled by the acts of a few who have done all of us a great disfavour.

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  6. Hisham
    Feb 01, 2006 @ 10:23:00

    hi ruby,
    first, let’s set the record straight, I’m not what you may call an islamist or fundamentalist. Actually, I was always labeled as a lefty J

    second: It was not just 1 caricature of a guy named Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. There were 12 caricatures, by 12 different cartoonists, and the subject of this series was how these cartoonist see the prophet.

    third: Islam doesn’t call Christians and Jews “kiradah wa khanazeer”, the origin of this story was described well in the Quran, it’s a story of a single incident, of a certain group. We all know that Jews and Christians are called Ahl Kitab = People of the Book.

    fourth: They claim that publishing these cartoons was an act of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech my ass. would they dare to mock a rabbi? they will be called anti-Semitic and would be jailed, their paper banned, and we know the whole story.

    fifth: the paper finally apologized, the Danish prime minister apologized. why? because they were hit where it hurts, their pockets.

    We should see the whole picture, and not be judgmental. We don’t agree with what lots of Muslims do “under an Islamic banner”, but at the same time we should also not always accept what others claim to be the truth. we have problems in our societies like any other society in the world, but the western solution isn’t always the best.
    Just have a look at Latin America.

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  7. AyyA
    Feb 01, 2006 @ 14:32:00

    A3sab
    The extremist did not drive this notion from void. Koran had told the story of three groups of Jews; one complied with the Sabbath and did not go fishing on that day since it was forbidden and they acted to stop it, another group complied yet did not stop the ones who didn’t, the third did not comply although they wavered their way by throwing their nets into the waters on Fridays and collected their fish on Sundays. So God only spared the first group and mocked the other two as monkeys
    فَلَمَّا عَتَوْا عَنْ ما نُهُوا عَنْهُ قُلْنا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خاسِئِينَ
    {‏فَلَمَّا نَسُوا مَا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ أَنْجَيْنَا الَّذِينَ يَنْهَوْنَ عَنْ السُّوءِ ‏وَ أَخَذْنَا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا بِعَذَابٍ بَئِيسٍ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْسُقُونَ}. الأعراف (7:165).
    (I’m sure that there are more verses that include Christians as well, but unfortunately I haven’t been able to dig them out)

    In Moslem perspectives today no one belongs to the first group, so logically this categorizes all Jews as the latter two groups.
    Here is some more about Ahl elkitab:

    {وَ لَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَاناً وَ كُفْراً وَأَلْقَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَ الْبَغْضَاء إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ كُلَّمَا أَوْقَدُواْ نَارًا لِّلْحَرْبِ أَطْفَأَهَا اللّهُ وَ يَسْعَوْنَ فِي الأَرْضِ فَسَادًا وَ اللّهُ لاَ يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ}

    (من الذين هادوا يحرفون الكلم عن مواضعه ويقولون سمعنا وعصينا واسمع غير مسمع وراعنا ليا بألسنتهم وطعنا في الدين ولو أنهم قالوا سمعنا وأطعنا واسمع وانظرنا لكان خيرا لهم وأقوم ولكن لعنهم الله بكفرهم فلا يؤمنون إلا قليلا)(46)

    Pay attention to illa qaleela, which is interpreted as the original group and emphasized more in the below excerpts of tradition.

    ‏‏لَيَأْتِيَنَّ عَلَى أُمَّتِي مَا أَتَى عَلَى ‏بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ ‏حَذْوَ ‏النَّعْلِ بِالنَّعْلِ حَتَّى إِنْ كَانَ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ ‏‏أَتَى ‏أُمَّهُ عَلَانِيَةً لَكَانَ فِي أُمَّتِي مَنْ يَصْنَعُ ذَلِكَ وَإِنَّ ‏بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ ‏تَفَرَّقَتْ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً وَ تَفْتَرِقُ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ‏ثَلَاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً كُلُّهُمْ فِي النَّارِ إِلا مِلَّةً وَاحِدَة.ً ‏ ‏ ‏قَالُوا وَ مَنْ هِيَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ؟ ‏ ‏قَالَ مَا أَنَا عَلَيْهِ وَ أَصْحَابِي

    و ‏قَالَ أيضاً:‏ ‏افْتَرَقَتْ ‏الْيَهُودُ ‏عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَافْتَرَقَتْ ‏‏النَّصَارَى ‏عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَ سَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَإِحْدَى وَ سَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَ وَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ الَّذِي نَفْسُ ‏ ‏مُحَمَّدٍ ‏ ‏بِيَدِهِ لَتَفْتَرِقَنَّ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ‏ثَلاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً وَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ ثِنْتَانِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ. قِيلَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هُمْ؟ قَالَ الْجَمَاعَةُ.
    (أخرجهم ابن ماجة و الترمذي و أبو داوود و أحمد و الدارمي و كثير غيرهم

    More?

    أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ نَصِيباً مِّنَ الْكِتَابِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْجِبْتِ وَالطَّاغُوتِ وَيَقُولُونَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ هَؤُلاء أَهْدَى مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَبِيلاً {51}‏ أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَعَنَهُمُ اللّهُ وَمَن يَلْعَنِ اللّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ نَصِيرًا {52}

    سورة التوبة 28 : “قاتلوا الذين لا يؤمنون بالله ولا باليوم الاخر ولايحرمون ما حرّم الله ورسوله ولا يدينون دين الحق من الذين أوتوا الكتاب حتّى يعطوا الجزية عن يد وهم صاغرون “

    جاء في صحيح مسلم في كتاب السلام.. باب النهي عن ابتداء أهل الكتاب بالسلام وكيف يرد عليهم: “حدثنا ‏ ‏قتيبة بن سعيد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد العزيز يعني الدراوردي عن ‏ ‏سهيل ‏عن ‏أبيه ‏‏عن‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لا تبدءوا اليهود ولا النصارى بالسلام فإذا لقيتم أحدهم في طريق فاضطروه إلى أضيقه.”

    عن عدي بن حاتم: أنه سمع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقرأ هذه الآية: ( اتخذوا أحبارهم ورهبانهم أرباباً من دون الله) الآية ، فقلت له: إنا لسنا نعبدهم قال: ( أليس يحرمون ما أحل الله فتحرمونه ويحلّون ما حرم الله، فتحلونه؟) ، فقلت: بلى. قال : ( فتلك عبادتهم) رواه أحمد، والترمذي وحسنه

    سورة آل عمران: {وَإِذَ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ لَتُبَيِّنُنَّهُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلاَ تَكْتُمُونَهُ فَنَبَذُوهُ وَرَاء ظُهُورِهِمْ وَاشْتَرَوْاْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَبِئْسَ مَا يَشْتَرُونَ (187)}.

    {‏لُعِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَلَى لِسَانِ دَاوُودَ وَ عِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ ذَلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوْا وَ كَانُوا يَعْتَدُونَ (87) ‏كَانُوا لا يَتَنَاهَوْنَ عَنْ مُنكَرٍ فَعَلُوهُ لَبِئْسَ مَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ (88) ‏تَرَى كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ يَتَوَلَّوْنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَبِئْسَ مَا قَدَّمَتْ لَهُمْ أَنفُسُهُمْ أَنْ سَخِطَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ وَ فِي الْعَذَابِ هُمْ خَالِدُونَ (89)}
    {وَقَالُوا قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ بَلْ لَعَنَهُمْ اللَّهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَقَلِيلاً مَا يُؤْمِنُونَ}.

    In short; as Moslems we are trained to curse the Jews and not accept other religions, this is a link that better describes my point of view, click here
    But regardless of all that, what happened with Denmark I see it as the different perspective of other nations to the Moslem figure today. And this is their point of view; it does not have to be mine. Offended or not, it should have been dealt with in a more civilized way. Boycotting Danish products is a very primitive approach. It results in equal loss to both parties.

    Jackos
    DA, had sent me those caricatures this is the first time I see them and he also sent me a link about the story behind it
    Check this
    And this

    To tell you the truth I’m still convinced that what the artists portrayed in those caricatures presents their point of view about Islam as they see it today. Islamists have threatened them with cold blooded murder; do you expect any less resentment?

    MsB & Jash & Lady J
    I agree 100% with all what you said.

    Hisham
    Although we all know that Christians and Jews are “ ahl elkitab” yet our Islamic perching, either by interpreting of Kuran or by tradition “ 7adeath” had conditioned us to express hatred to them and call them “ moshrikeen”. Just attend any Friday preaching concerning ahl elkitab in the mosques and see for yourself. Once I asked shikh dean: who are the monkeys and pigs who were mentioned in the Koran? He said: those of Ahl elkitab who did not comply with their original preaching. So I asked him: if we believe that none of them complied to the original preaching since they have manipulated their sacred books by “ elta7reef”, does this mean that they are all cursed? He answered: if you are talking about ahl elkitab today, then yes.
    In short; this is the way we see them, and that is the way they see us. And the apology that was submitted by that newspaper confirms my point of view further more, here is a link.

    So may be the problem is at home. If we care to brighten our image, it should not be done by force, but by good deeds. What did Moslems do to show the good intention of their faith? Practically speaking; nothing. On the contrary; we are portrayed as terrorists and bandits, more of a reason for their resentment and for them they have the right to express their opinions.
    And by the way I have seen a lot of mockeries of Jesus Christ by Christians themselves and some of rabbi’s as well, but have never heard of such an outburst to this extreme.
    Another thing; in this post I am not asking anyone to side to one point of view against another, yes, the west is not always right, and we are also not always right. This post was meant to look at the situation from a broader perspective without being influenced by one party against the other, and not let our emotions be the judge.

    Devil Advocate
    Thanks buddy, you’ve always been a great help. With all the links that you provided now the ones who are just repeating what they hear can check for themselves and express a better judgment.

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  8. TariqKhonji
    Feb 01, 2006 @ 19:54:00

    The thing is, these caracatures are designed to show Muslims as extremists, undemocratic, violent and intolerant. And the reaction of the Muslim world seems to have proved the cartoon’s point.

    Millions more people have been exposed to these cartoons than otherwise would have if such a big deal wasn’t made about it.

    And the cartoonists, who will now have to go into hiding, have been turned into martyrs for freedom of speech (and rightly so). Remember Salman Rushdie?

    The cartoonists have a right to express their views, no matter how racist they may be. But nobody has the right to threaten to hurt them for expressing their views because that is where freedom of speech stops. The Muslims just can’t seem to understand this.

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  9. White Wings
    Feb 01, 2006 @ 23:55:00

    We are so gullible, this newspaper wanted publicity and who is louder than us to publicize for it especially with the principle that says no publicity is bad publicity..

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  10. Peach
    Feb 02, 2006 @ 19:40:00

    U know what the worst part about all this is!!

    No More KDD!!!!!!!! ;(

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  11. TariqKhonji
    Feb 03, 2006 @ 22:52:00

    Yeah, KDD make the Best Guava and Passion Fruit juice!!

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