Borj min 3agli 6ar

Yesterday, I read this article in AlGabaswhile on the plane. And it astounded me how much people can use religion to justify their wrong doings (of course; this is my perception of wrong and right). It also reminded me of my last post on how “Bad” and “Good” are relative when it comes to people’s domain of thinking and ideologies. And just in case you missed it, please tell me; does this make any sense to you?

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17 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. mishari26
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 20:13:00

    if that stuff is real, its truly despicable.

    As far as I know, one of the main pillars of a sound Islamic marriage is “al-Ish’har” or “publicity”. It mainly means that a marriage should be publicly known and between whom to whom. NOT in secret.

    If that guy really thinks he’s being a saint, he should think again.

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  2. Purgatory
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 21:12:00

    and where did you go miss Gabas 😛

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  3. Elegance
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 21:58:00

    I’m shocked. I can’t believe it. How can they do that? And why does the law protect them? Isn’t this HARAM? And why is it always about men, men & men? How about these poor girls or women they are using and abusing? This is crazy. The world is getting nuts.

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  4. Shurouq
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 22:21:00

    Salamat 3aglich :*

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  5. I the Beholder
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 22:37:00

    I was shocked too! A marriage club? more like a“swingers club”!

    The guy being interviewed had the audacity to criticize others who live in sin!

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  6. Temetwir
    Nov 22, 2005 @ 23:47:00

    no it doesnt make any sense

    im not too keen on believing it to be true .. but nevertheless wouldnt be too surprised

    il7amdelah welsheker bas

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  7. Hisham
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 09:25:00

    is 44 the official age to lose one’s sense??

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  8. AyyA
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 11:21:00

    mishari26
    And if it is a joke, then it sure is a bad one. But what happens if one did not publicize his marriage? Is it considered illegal? Does the court require an official announcement or the approval of his first wife for instance? I doubt it, or otherwise these guys would never get away with what they’re doing.

    Purgatory72
    Long story 🙂

    Elegance
    Not only that, they even refused the idea of their daughters being in the same situation, which means that they do know that what they’re doing is wrong, but still use religion to justify their actions. This is pathetic.

    Shurouq
    Allah yesalmich, bas wallah ma khalo shy. Wi i7na in3aiyib 3ala shiyab Bangkok. Wi 3indina min hal khair wayed, and mind you; within laws and regulations.

    “I” .. the Beholder
    As a matter of fact I consider this as a bigger sin, at least prostitution has its own people, and it’s a pre agreement between the two on cost, but these guys are using poor girls and diverting them to prostitutes. Those girls don’t even know what is these people’s intention until each guy gets bored of them. In other words; it’s a legalized prostitution.

    Temetwir
    Well, I hope it’s not true. But why do you think Algabas might publish anything like that if it was not true.

    Hisham
    Offffffff, I hope not .

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  9. mishari26
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 11:51:00

    Well then Kuwait is NOT applying the proper Islamic marriage conditions.

    Also forgot, the girl has to be married by her custodian “wali amerha” she only has the right to marry herself if she doesn’t have one. I don’t think these guys are actually calling a proper ma’thoon to write up a legal marriage certificate. Because all ma’thoons make sure to ask about the ID of the girl’s custodian. The only remaining explanation would be that one of these guys is a ma’thoon himself 😛

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  10. Jewaira
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 13:40:00

    Insane. Sounds like a mix between a swingers club and prostitution under cover of secret marriage.

    How can this be legal?

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  11. bora bora
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 17:05:00

    I was shocked as well. I Felt like they are playing games with Allah.

    يستعبطون ؟!؟

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  12. AyyA
    Nov 23, 2005 @ 19:12:00

    mishari26
    Apparently the first marriage takes place abroad, the consecutive ones here in Kuwait. Therefore the woman only marries herself off to be able to maintain her life (education, escaping poverty, etc.), so I don’t think elmathoon has much control over this issue, nor does any official.
    Jewaira
    The marriage is legally correct under state laws. No one can question this case even when it is publicized in newspapers. Laws are set to organize individual’s harmony within his society. It never questions intentions. Intentions come within each individual through his conscience. But unfortunately, these people paralyze their conscience through their misuse of religion (and this can easily be done with any set rules that are not modified). No place here for the mind; it’s absent. And they are only controlled by desire.
    bora bora
    la ma yesta3bi6oon, they just found a way to waver their original intentions. People who could misuse laws are everywhere; I sow this happening many times in Ministries (not on a similar level) by whoever can find a way. I repeat here; people need to go back to the self, they need to activate their conscience; their common sense of right and wrong. They need to return to their humanity, to put themselves in other’s shoes and feel their agony. Otherwise; they’ll always stay victims to their desires and no laws can deter their wrong doings.

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  13. mishari26
    Nov 24, 2005 @ 09:45:00

    “But unfortunately, these people paralyze their conscience through their misuse of religion (and this can easily be done with any set rules that are not modified). No place here for the mind; it’s absent. And they are only controlled by desire.”

    I’d like to pause at this for a bit. These people did not paralyze their concience with the misuse of religion. They did it through their desire for sex. THAT is what paralyzed their concience. And their minds were NOT absent, their minds WERE present to change how religion deals with this situation. Their minds delibirately removed “Publicity” from the Islamic marriage prerequisites. Only AFTER the change of the Islamic marriage law were they able to conduct their hideous ritual. and justify it to themselves.

    So its the CHANGE that brought on the tragedy. not the solution. The law was perfect in the first place.

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  14. Hanan
    Nov 24, 2005 @ 10:47:00

    It certainly does not make sense to me.
    I don’t know if I should be angry or just start laughing.

    my wv is the best way to describe my reaction to this article: kpwije

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  15. AyyA
    Nov 24, 2005 @ 21:29:00

    Mishari
    Hmmmm, interesting to know

    Hanan
    LOL

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  16. Temetwir
    Nov 29, 2005 @ 03:33:00

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  17. AyyA
    Nov 29, 2005 @ 20:27:00

    thanks 🙂

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